Heart Rate Training - Triathlon Week

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

Hello
I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do three
this season.

I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I would
love some help here.

For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for 30
minutes at a HR of 50-60%
I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon as I
start running at a comfortable
pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a strong
pace.

I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help understanding
my readings.

Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during the
event.

thanks for help.
Garett

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

"Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> Hello
> I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do
three
> this season.
>
> I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I would
> love some help here.
>
> For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for 30
> minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon as I
> start running at a comfortable
> pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
strong
> pace.
>
> I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
understanding
> my readings.
>
> Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during the
> event.
>
> thanks for help.
> Garett
>
>

Pardon my ignorance, but who the hell is Eric Haar? Unless you have been
doing absolutely nothing, why exercise at such a low intensity except maybe
for active recovery? That intensity and short duration would have very
little, if any, training stimulus.

Here is an idea. Screw the HRM!

Look into a solid triathlon program (I really urge people to hire a coach).
Most exercise should be done at a conversational pace. Once a base is
established, add some lactate threshold training, then top off with VO2max
workouts.

I think a good book is SERIOUS Training for Endurance Athletes by Sleamaker
and Browning. Gives solid info on setting up training programs.

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not lock
yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is pretty
much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable for a
recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.

Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high numbers on
your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those wanting
to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment. It's
fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you are
just a reprint.

Ken

"Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> Hello
> I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do
three
> this season.
>
> I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I would
> love some help here.
>
> For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for 30
> minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon as I
> start running at a comfortable
> pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
strong
> pace.
>
> I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
understanding
> my readings.
>
> Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during the
> event.
>
> thanks for help.
> Garett
>
>

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want to take
the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training and
hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the learning
curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros or age
group winners.

"IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
news:gAqIc.28475$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not lock
> yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is pretty
> much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable for
a
> recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
>
> Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high numbers on
> your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those wanting
> to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment. It's
> fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you are
> just a reprint.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> "Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> > Hello
> > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do
> three
> > this season.
> >
> > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I
would
> > love some help here.
> >
> > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for 30
> > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon as
I
> > start running at a comfortable
> > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
> strong
> > pace.
> >
> > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
> understanding
> > my readings.
> >
> > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during the
> > event.
> >
> > thanks for help.
> > Garett
> >
> >
>
>

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

Hey Ken and Sam.

Thanks for the great advice.
I will head it well.

I appreciate your candor.
g

"Sam" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:TKFIc.645$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink .net...
> A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want to
take
> the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training and
> hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the learning
> curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros or
age
> group winners.
>
>
> "IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> news:gAqIc.28475$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> > I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not
lock
> > yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is pretty
> > much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable
for
> a
> > recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
> >
> > Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high numbers
on
> > your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those
wanting
> > to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.
It's
> > fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you
are
> > just a reprint.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > "Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> > > Hello
> > > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do
> > three
> > > this season.
> > >
> > > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I
> would
> > > love some help here.
> > >
> > > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for
30
> > > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> > > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon
as
> I
> > > start running at a comfortable
> > > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
> > strong
> > > pace.
> > >
> > > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
> > understanding
> > > my readings.
> > >
> > > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during
the
> > > event.
> > >
> > > thanks for help.
> > > Garett
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

True, it's just that i get satisfaction from racing my own race and not
someone else's. Finding my limits is half the fun. I believe that to be a
serious competitor you need to know your limits. When you are standing on
the podium you know that you did your best and not the best of some coach.
Considerable information is available in these forums and elsewhere for
those starting out. I'm not telling anyone not to get a coach, just saying
that I think it is sort of a waste, sort of like taking performance
enhancing drugs by not doing the work yourself, :-).

Ken

"Sam" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:TKFIc.645$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink .net...
> A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want to
take
> the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training and
> hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the learning
> curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros or
age
> group winners.
>
>
> "IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> news:gAqIc.28475$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> > I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not
lock
> > yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is pretty
> > much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable
for
> a
> > recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
> >
> > Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high numbers
on
> > your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those
wanting
> > to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.
It's
> > fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you
are
> > just a reprint.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > "Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> > > Hello
> > > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to do
> > three
> > > this season.
> > >
> > > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I
> would
> > > love some help here.
> > >
> > > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for
30
> > > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> > > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as soon
as
> I
> > > start running at a comfortable
> > > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
> > strong
> > > pace.
> > >
> > > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
> > understanding
> > > my readings.
> > >
> > > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during
the
> > > event.
> > >
> > > thanks for help.
> > > Garett
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

A difference of opinion, but saying something is a "waste" is certainly not
neutral on the issue.

Even with a coach, the athlete still has to do the work. I have coached
runners for a while now and created training plans that should work but if
the athlete does not do the workouts, he/she will not see results. The
information on forums and books are fine in some cases, but also not
specific enough for an individual and too random. A snip it here a snip it
there.

I firmly believe that most people will improve with a coach since I believe
most people train in a very haphazard method. I feel good today, I'll go
long or hard.

Drugs are completely different issue.
"IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
news:iq5Jc.29998$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> True, it's just that i get satisfaction from racing my own race and not
> someone else's. Finding my limits is half the fun. I believe that to be
a
> serious competitor you need to know your limits. When you are standing on
> the podium you know that you did your best and not the best of some coach.
> Considerable information is available in these forums and elsewhere for
> those starting out. I'm not telling anyone not to get a coach, just
saying
> that I think it is sort of a waste, sort of like taking performance
> enhancing drugs by not doing the work yourself, :-).
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> "Sam" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:TKFIc.645$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink .net...
> > A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want to
> take
> > the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training
and
> > hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the
learning
> > curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros or
> age
> > group winners.
> >
> >
> > "IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> > news:gAqIc.28475$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> > > I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not
> lock
> > > yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is
pretty
> > > much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable
> for
> > a
> > > recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
> > >
> > > Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high
numbers
> on
> > > your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those
> wanting
> > > to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.
> It's
> > > fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you
> are
> > > just a reprint.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > > news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> > > > Hello
> > > > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to
do
> > > three
> > > > this season.
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I
> > would
> > > > love some help here.
> > > >
> > > > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for
> 30
> > > > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> > > > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as
soon
> as
> > I
> > > > start running at a comfortable
> > > > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
> > > strong
> > > > pace.
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
> > > understanding
> > > > my readings.
> > > >
> > > > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during
> the
> > > > event.
> > > >
> > > > thanks for help.
> > > > Garett
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

08-23-2004, 07:09 PM

Sam, you are correct, I am not neutral and I believe my position was clear
on that. Others have their ideas and are free to pursue them. I only
stated my ideas and reasons behind them. Just because one has a coach
does not insure that he will reach his potential. The ability of a coach to
communicate perfection has many variables. There are great coaches and
there are some that can do harm to ones potential just as one can make his
own mistakes. Coaching is fun, I have done a bit myself and enjoy it. I
like to give options to competitive people and let them sort out what really
allows them to reach maximum potential. I am still not an advocate that
everyone should have a coach or needs one. Folks that are into the sport
for the enjoyment without desires or expectations of winning really don't
need professional coaching.

Good Idea, I feel good today so I think I will really go long and hard.
Great summer weather here and the surf is up on the North Shore which makes
for a very motivating ride.

Have a nice day and keep up the good posting.

Ken

"Sam" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:Rx9Jc.2188$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthl ink.net...
> A difference of opinion, but saying something is a "waste" is certainly
not
> neutral on the issue.
>
> Even with a coach, the athlete still has to do the work. I have coached
> runners for a while now and created training plans that should work but if
> the athlete does not do the workouts, he/she will not see results. The
> information on forums and books are fine in some cases, but also not
> specific enough for an individual and too random. A snip it here a snip
it
> there.
>
> I firmly believe that most people will improve with a coach since I
believe
> most people train in a very haphazard method. I feel good today, I'll go
> long or hard.
>
> Drugs are completely different issue.
> "IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> news:iq5Jc.29998$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> > True, it's just that i get satisfaction from racing my own race and not
> > someone else's. Finding my limits is half the fun. I believe that to
be
> a
> > serious competitor you need to know your limits. When you are standing
on
> > the podium you know that you did your best and not the best of some
coach.
> > Considerable information is available in these forums and elsewhere for
> > those starting out. I'm not telling anyone not to get a coach, just
> saying
> > that I think it is sort of a waste, sort of like taking performance
> > enhancing drugs by not doing the work yourself, :-).
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > "Sam" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:TKFIc.645$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink .net...
> > > A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want
to
> > take
> > > the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training
> and
> > > hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the
> learning
> > > curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros
or
> > age
> > > group winners.
> > >
> > >
> > > "IMKen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> > > news:gAqIc.28475$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com...
> > > > I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not
> > lock
> > > > yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is
> pretty
> > > > much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be
suitable
> > for
> > > a
> > > > recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
> > > >
> > > > Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high
> numbers
> > on
> > > > your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those
> > wanting
> > > > to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.
> > It's
> > > > fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and
you
> > are
> > > > just a reprint.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Garett Bugda" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > > > news:2hnIc.47895$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].. .
> > > > > Hello
> > > > > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to
> do
> > > > three
> > > > > this season.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings.
I
> > > would
> > > > > love some help here.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run
for
> > 30
> > > > > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
> > > > > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as
> soon
> > as
> > > I
> > > > > start running at a comfortable
> > > > > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at
a
> > > > strong
> > > > > pace.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
> > > > understanding
> > > > > my readings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most
during
> > the
> > > > > event.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for help.
> > > > > Garett
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>