Energy Gel - Maltodextrin vs. Brown Rice Syrup - Page 2 - Triathlon Week

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Dec 12, 7:15 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
> <snip>
> On Dec 12, 6:39 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> > Gels are racing fuel - only use them in training enough to get used to
> > them to see what you like. Don't think about health effects of racing
> > fuel.
>
> That's a good one...just like the guys who use testosterone, steroids,
> blood (their own or someone else's), amphetemines, etc etc etc.
> Just take it, don't think about it.
> ABS

Obviously you haven't spent much time around here. John is the real
thing - a good racer who is completely on the up and up.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Dec 13, 11:42 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:49:52 -0800 (PST), Scott
>
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
> >sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other than
> >racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but certainly not such
> >a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race use only'.
>
> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.

I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.

S.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:

> On Dec 12, 7:15 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>On Dec 12, 6:39 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gels are racing fuel - only use them in training enough to get used to
>>>them to see what you like. Don't think about health effects of racing
>>>fuel.
>>
>>That's a good one...just like the guys who use testosterone, steroids,
>>blood (their own or someone else's), amphetemines, etc etc etc.
>>Just take it, don't think about it.
>>ABS
>
>
> Obviously you haven't spent much time around here. John is the real
> thing - a good racer who is completely on the up and up.

How good can he be, Jackass, if he's never dabbled in the hot sauce?

Magilla

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

The Glycemic Index is measured in rest and consumed pure.

This being said, the insulin response to carbohydrate intake during
exercise is a lot complexer.
It's not only digestibility and rate of digestion and uptake but also
the rate of stomach clearance. Sure enough if you eat some glucose and
your blood sugar will rise sharp but add some fat to that and it won't
rise as fast simply because fat makes stomach clearance slow down. (by
inducing a higher tonus in the pyloric sphincter if you must know)
An added problem would be that your digestive system doesn't respond
anything like it during exercise then when at rest, mainly because of
reduced bloodflow in the entire gastrointestinal system.

In short, modest glucose intake during exercise doesn't cause a high
insulin peak and blood sugar drop as a result. There's no reason not
to use glucose as an energy source.
Whether the slow digestable carbohydrates offer an advantage in
performance or not is heavily debated. In all likelihood it will
provide you with the exact same energy and results. It is however very
much recommended to keep your simple carb intake prior to a race or
training as low as possible. Prior means at rest and that WILL yield
an insuline peak and blood sugar rebound drop.

Honey is a great low GI product and mixes rather well with things like
a twist of lemon juice. Try and see if you can hold it down on the
road, there's no rule of what can an cannot be tolerated, it basically
depends on your own body. The rule of thumb about the 7% solution is
somewhat arbitrary, I once read an article about how that exact number
came into play.

More information about sugars and exercise here :
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:35:11 -0500, MagillaGorilla
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
>
>> On Dec 12, 7:15 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
>>
>>><snip>
>>>On Dec 12, 6:39 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gels are racing fuel - only use them in training enough to get used to
>>>>them to see what you like. Don't think about health effects of racing
>>>>fuel.
>>>
>>>That's a good one...just like the guys who use testosterone, steroids,
>>>blood (their own or someone else's), amphetemines, etc etc etc.
>>>Just take it, don't think about it.
>>>ABS
>>
>>
>> Obviously you haven't spent much time around here. John is the real
>> thing - a good racer who is completely on the up and up.
>
>
>How good can he be, Jackass, if he's never dabbled in the hot sauce?

I worse than a has been, worse than a never was...I'm a never coulda..

JT

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:24:33 -0800 (PST), webhead <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>The Glycemic Index is measured in rest and consumed pure.
>
>This being said, the insulin response to carbohydrate intake during
>exercise is a lot complexer.
>It's not only digestibility and rate of digestion and uptake but also
>the rate of stomach clearance. Sure enough if you eat some glucose and
>your blood sugar will rise sharp but add some fat to that and it won't
>rise as fast simply because fat makes stomach clearance slow down. (by
>inducing a higher tonus in the pyloric sphincter if you must know)
>An added problem would be that your digestive system doesn't respond
>anything like it during exercise then when at rest, mainly because of
>reduced bloodflow in the entire gastrointestinal system.
>
>In short, modest glucose intake during exercise doesn't cause a high
>insulin peak and blood sugar drop as a result. There's no reason not
>to use glucose as an energy source.
>Whether the slow digestable carbohydrates offer an advantage in
>performance or not is heavily debated. In all likelihood it will
>provide you with the exact same energy and results. It is however very
>much recommended to keep your simple carb intake prior to a race or
>training as low as possible. Prior means at rest and that WILL yield
>an insuline peak and blood sugar rebound drop.
>
>Honey is a great low GI product and mixes rather well with things like
>a twist of lemon juice. Try and see if you can hold it down on the
>road, there's no rule of what can an cannot be tolerated, it basically
>depends on your own body. The rule of thumb about the 7% solution is
>somewhat arbitrary, I once read an article about how that exact number
>came into play.
>
>More information about sugars and exercise here :
>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

When I was cash poor in college there were "free" honey packets in my
school's cafeteria and I used to take some to mix with water for use
out riding.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:02:24 -0800 (PST), Scott
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Dec 13, 11:42 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:49:52 -0800 (PST), Scott
>>
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> >Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
>> >sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other than
>> >racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but certainly not such
>> >a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race use only'.
>>
>> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.
>
>I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.

Who did I call a name?

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:02:24 -0800 (PST), Scott
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>> didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.
^^^^^^^^^^^

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Who did I call a name?

No one. That's the point.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

webhead wrote:
> The Glycemic Index is measured in rest and consumed pure.
>
> This being said, the insulin response to carbohydrate intake during
> exercise is a lot complexer.
> It's not only digestibility and rate of digestion and uptake but also
> the rate of stomach clearance. Sure enough if you eat some glucose and
> your blood sugar will rise sharp but add some fat to that and it won't
> rise as fast simply because fat makes stomach clearance slow down. (by
> inducing a higher tonus in the pyloric sphincter if you must know)
> An added problem would be that your digestive system doesn't respond
> anything like it during exercise then when at rest, mainly because of
> reduced bloodflow in the entire gastrointestinal system.
>
> In short, modest glucose intake during exercise doesn't cause a high
> insulin peak and blood sugar drop as a result. There's no reason not
> to use glucose as an energy source.
> Whether the slow digestable carbohydrates offer an advantage in
> performance or not is heavily debated. In all likelihood it will
> provide you with the exact same energy and results. It is however very
> much recommended to keep your simple carb intake prior to a race or
> training as low as possible. Prior means at rest and that WILL yield
> an insuline peak and blood sugar rebound drop.
>
> Honey is a great low GI product and mixes rather well with things like
> a twist of lemon juice. Try and see if you can hold it down on the
> road, there's no rule of what can an cannot be tolerated, it basically
> depends on your own body. The rule of thumb about the 7% solution is
> somewhat arbitrary, I once read an article about how that exact number
> came into play.
>
> More information about sugars and exercise here :
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Why write all this when you can just call him a cocksucker?

Magilla

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:13:09 -0500, Paul Myron Hobson
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:02:24 -0800 (PST), Scott
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>>> didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> Who did I call a name?
>
>No one. That's the point.

Thanks, I see now.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

John Forrest Tomlinson writes:

>>>> Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
>>>> sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other
>>>> than racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but
>>>> certainly not such a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race
>>>> use only'.

>>> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.

>> I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>> didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.

> Who did I call a name?

Although these days of GWB, pretending not to know the English
language is fashionable. However, you say you went to college, so you
might write:

Whom did I call a name?

unless you believe Ernest Hemingway got it wrong with "For whom the
bell tolls".

Jobst Brandt

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:35:11 -0500, MagillaGorilla
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 12, 7:15 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>On Dec 12, 6:39 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gels are racing fuel - only use them in training enough to get used to
>>>>>them to see what you like. Don't think about health effects of racing
>>>>>fuel.
>>>>
>>>>That's a good one...just like the guys who use testosterone, steroids,
>>>>blood (their own or someone else's), amphetemines, etc etc etc.
>>>>Just take it, don't think about it.
>>>>ABS
>>>
>>>
>>>Obviously you haven't spent much time around here. John is the real
>>>thing - a good racer who is completely on the up and up.
>>
>>
>>How good can he be, Jackass, if he's never dabbled in the hot sauce?
>
>
> I worse than a has been, worse than a never was...I'm a never coulda..
>
> JT

Come to the Magilla training camp in the Canary Islands this January and
I'll make you a star, JT. After you book your flight, tell USADA
you'll be in Hawaii for those 2 weeks so they know where to send the mules.

Magilla

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

John Forrest Tomlinson writes:

>>>> Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
>>>> sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other
>>>> than racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but
>>>> certainly not such a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race
>>>> use only'.

>>> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.

>> I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>> didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.

> Who did I call a name?

These days of GWB, pretending not to know the English language is
fashionable, However, you say you went to college, so you might write:

Whom did I call a name?

unless you believe Ernest Hemingway got it wrong with "For whom the
bell tolls".

Jobst Brandt

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

On Dec 13, 3:45 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:02:24 -0800 (PST), Scott
>
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >On Dec 13, 11:42 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> >wrote:
> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:49:52 -0800 (PST), Scott
>
> >> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >> >Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
> >> >sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other than
> >> >racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but certainly not such
> >> >a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race use only'.
>
> >> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.
>
> >I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
> >didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.
>
> Who did I call a name?

You didn't. That was the point.

05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:4761c0f5$0$36406$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>
>>>>> Regardless, even with all the benefits to be derived from other
>>>>> sources, gels are still an acceptable source of energy for 'other
>>>>> than racing' situations. Maybe not the best choice, but
>>>>> certainly not such a poor choice as to declare them fit for 'race
>>>>> use only'.
>
>>>> Right. I'm only commenting on what is wise, not what is possible.
>
>>> I understand. It has been nice to trade comments with someone that
>>> didn't result in name calling, sort of caught me off guard.
>
>> Who did I call a name?
>
> Although these days of GWB, pretending not to know the English
> language is fashionable. However, you say you went to college, so you
> might write:
>
> Whom did I call a name?
>
> unless you believe Ernest Hemingway got it wrong with "For whom the
> bell tolls".
>
> Jobst Brandt
>

What's the proper English term for someone who tries to troll on usenet, but
comes across as an old lady who edits a fashion magazine instead?