POSE running method question - Triathlon Week

09-23-2006, 11:23 PM

I've talked to people who use this running
method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. His video claims is the method taught
by the national assoication of triathlete coaches (or some association like
that).

Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
faster?

How long did it take you to "get the hang of it"?

Thanks!

09-23-2006, 11:23 PM

Notgiven wrote:

> I've talked to people who use this running
> method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. His video claims is the method taught
> by the national assoication of triathlete coaches (or some association like
> that).
>
> Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
> faster?
>
> How long did it take you to "get the hang of it"?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
Running Research News had an article about it within the past couple of
years that indicated it was baloney. I can access it and summarize it
for you if you want to email me backchannel.

Dave

09-24-2006, 11:48 PM

On 2006-09-24, Dave Chandler <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote:
> Notgiven wrote:
>> I've talked to people who use this running
>> method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ].
>
> Running Research News had an article about it within the past couple of
> years that indicated it was baloney. I can access it and summarize it
> for you if you want to email me backchannel.

I'd like to read your summary of that article (or better, the article
itself). If you do take the time to summarize it, why not post it here?
Don't think it's off topic, and your efforts would be much appreciated.

Based on my limited knowledge, the running form recommended by barefoot
runners (Ken Bob Saxton, runningbarefoot.org), Danny Dreyer (Chi
Running), Dr. Romanov (Pose Method), and Gordon Pirie (gordonpirie.com)
are all very similar and different than the way I initially learned to
run (my "natural" form, with unatural thick-heeled shoes).

When I watch videos of olympic 5000 meter races or of Saxton, the form
appears very smooth and similar to what I imagine the above four people
are talking about. However, I'm willing to admit that I'm just seeing
what I want to see. Thoughts?

--
Patrick <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>

09-24-2006, 11:48 PM

On 2006-09-24, Patrick <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> On 2006-09-24, Dave Chandler <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote:
>> Notgiven wrote:
>>> I've talked to people who use this running
>>> method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ].
>>
>> Running Research News had an article about it within the past couple of
>> years that indicated it was baloney. I can access it and summarize it
>> for you if you want to email me backchannel.
>
> I'd like to read your summary of that article (or better, the article
> itself). If you do take the time to summarize it, why not post it here?
> Don't think it's off topic, and your efforts would be much appreciated.
>
> Based on my limited knowledge, the running form recommended by barefoot
> runners (Ken Bob Saxton, runningbarefoot.org), Danny Dreyer (Chi
> Running), Dr. Romanov (Pose Method), and Gordon Pirie (gordonpirie.com)
> are all very similar and different than the way I initially learned to
> run (my "natural" form, with unatural thick-heeled shoes).
>
> When I watch videos of olympic 5000 meter races or of Saxton, the form
> appears very smooth and similar to what I imagine the above four people
> are talking about. However, I'm willing to admit that I'm just seeing
> what I want to see. Thoughts?

Most beginners have terrible running form. It usually corrects itself by the
time you are doing high mileage training. All of my training partners wear
these "unatural" shoes you speak of, yet all of them run pretty smoothly.

Running smoothly does not require barefoot running, it doesn't require the
"pose method" either.

As for baloney, one of the fallacies of these methods is the believe that
gravity "pulls you forward" (can't remember if that one's Pose, Chi or both).
Anyway, that viewpoint is simply ignorant from a physics standpoint. Gravity
doesn't pull you forward, it pulls you down.

The other myth they peddle is the supposed important of "landing on" the ball
of the foot instead of "landing on" the heel. Again, this is basically ignorance.
Most distance runners lightly touch down with the heel first, but this doesn't
absorb anything close to the full impact since the center of mass is still
falling at initial contact. So it's simply incorrect to say that they are
"landing on" their heel. Center of mass doesn't stop falling until the ball
of the foot touches down. The main problem with the heavy "heel strikers" is
that most of them are also overstriding (which means more vertical motion)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
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09-24-2006, 11:49 PM

Donovan Rebbechi said...

>Most beginners have terrible running form. It usually corrects
>itself by the time you are doing high mileage training. All of my
>training partners wear these "unatural" shoes you speak of, yet
>all of them run pretty smoothly.
>
>Running smoothly does not require barefoot running, it doesn't
>require the "pose method" either.

I don't disagree with your points, but I believe there is
something to this notion of barefoot running potentially improving
your overall running style. I find the idea of it very appealing
because it makes logical sense. But after a lifetime of wearing
shoes, it's very risky to experiment with. For some people without
tight training and racing schedules, it might be worthwhile to take
that risk.

09-24-2006, 11:49 PM

"Dave Chandler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
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> Notgiven wrote:
>
>> I've talked to people who use this running
>> method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. His video claims is the method
>> taught by the national assoication of triathlete coaches (or some
>> association like that).
>>
>> Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
>> faster?
>>
>> How long did it take you to "get the hang of it"?
>>
>> Thanks!
> Running Research News had an article about it within the past couple of
> years that indicated it was baloney. I can access it and summarize it for
> you if you want to email me backchannel.
>
> Dave
O too would like to see the article or reference to it. Thanks.

09-25-2006, 02:19 AM

There are some very unsubstantial and subjective answers to your
quetions in this thread. That surprises me.Anyone has personally met Romanov
would surely agree that he is in no way selling baloney.

Pose method is a methodical approach of not only running but human movement
in general, and Romanov has tried summarize it under very general
principles. You can put these in to practive yourself with the dvd or the
book if you are a more conceptual learner. It takes a few weeks and ,likely,
some muscle sores.Then you can judge for yourself if this is useful for your
running, or other sports.

Ivar

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"Notgiven" <notreallyme@invalid.invalid> schreef in bericht
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> "Dave Chandler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
> news:LtmRg.1335$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]-nyc.rr.com...
>> Notgiven wrote:
>>
>>> I've talked to people who use this running
>>> method/technique([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. His video claims is the method
>>> taught by the national assoication of triathlete coaches (or some
>>> association like that).
>>>
>>> Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
>>> faster?
>>>
>>> How long did it take you to "get the hang of it"?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Running Research News had an article about it within the past couple of
>> years that indicated it was baloney. I can access it and summarize it
>> for you if you want to email me backchannel.
>>
>> Dave
> O too would like to see the article or reference to it. Thanks.
>

09-26-2006, 12:44 AM

Notgiven wrote:

> Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
> faster?

Tim Donn, ITU 2006 World Champion is a well known convert to this style
of running and has been both qouted and photographed for the UK 220
Triathlon Magazine on articles about this running style.

I don't have the articles anymore as I moved house and binned my entire
collection of 220 magazines. This google search will return many
articles that include Tim and Pose.
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Suffice to say I don't practise it myself, with one leg 2-inches
shorter from below the knee I'd just end up on my face.

10-08-2006, 12:04 AM

I have definitely adopted the method and I have become a lot faster.

Great article about it here:

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Chris
SoCal Triathlete

Mark Cathcart wrote:
> Notgiven wrote:
>
> > Do any of you use it? Does it really help prevent injuries? Make you
> > faster?
>
> Tim Donn, ITU 2006 World Champion is a well known convert to this style
> of running and has been both qouted and photographed for the UK 220
> Triathlon Magazine on articles about this running style.
>
> I don't have the articles anymore as I moved house and binned my entire
> collection of 220 magazines. This google search will return many
> articles that include Tim and Pose.
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Suffice to say I don't practise it myself, with one leg 2-inches
> shorter from below the knee I'd just end up on my face.

10-08-2006, 12:04 AM

On 2006-10-08, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I have definitely adopted the method and I have become a lot faster.

yes, but are the two causaly related ? There are many people who become
faster without adopting it.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

"Elflord" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On 2006-10-08, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> I have definitely adopted the method and I have become a lot faster.
>
> yes, but are the two causaly related ? There are many people who become
> faster without adopting it.

The advice might carry a little more weight if it wasn't such an obvious
plug for his website. (Check his other posts).

Tim

10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

Tim,

So you view my referring to the articles as a plug. I guess I don't
understand how gathering information from very knowledgeable people and
helping it get out there is such a bad thing. The site is a free
resource.

The goal is to educate people.

Thanks
Chris
SoCal Triathlete

Tim Downie wrote:
> "Elflord" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > On 2006-10-08, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >> I have definitely adopted the method and I have become a lot faster.
> >
> > yes, but are the two causaly related ? There are many people who become
> > faster without adopting it.
>
> The advice might carry a little more weight if it wasn't such an obvious
> plug for his website. (Check his other posts).
>
> Tim

10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

On 2006-10-08, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> So you view my referring to the articles as a plug. I guess I don't

If the entire point of your post is to tell everyone how good your website is (without
being forthcoming about the fact that it is your website), then yes, it's a plug.

> understand how gathering information from very knowledgeable people and
> helping it get out there is such a bad thing. The site is a free

(1) you were not honest about the fact that you're promoting your website, and
(2) you don't make any contribution to the discussion besides promoting your website.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

Elford,

I apologize for coming across as plugging the site. The goal isn't to
tell people how good the site is but to share the information. This is
why I didn't refer to the general site, but to the exact article and I
did put SoCal Triathlete in my signature thinking it would be obvious.

The site is designed to help educate people. I am not a coach or
manufacturer selling anything. I am also not a certified POSE coach so
I don't feel I should give advise on the topic, but I know the article
is written by a certified POSE coach.

I am sorry for offending you. That is not my intension.

Chris
SoCal Triathlete

Elflord wrote:
> On 2006-10-08, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > So you view my referring to the articles as a plug. I guess I don't
>
> If the entire point of your post is to tell everyone how good your website is (without
> being forthcoming about the fact that it is your website), then yes, it's a plug.
>
> > understand how gathering information from very knowledgeable people and
> > helping it get out there is such a bad thing. The site is a free
>
> (1) you were not honest about the fact that you're promoting your website, and
> (2) you don't make any contribution to the discussion besides promoting your website.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Elflord

10-09-2006, 01:11 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:

>I am sorry for offending you. That is not my intension.

I hope offense wasn't what happened to other readers, I wasn't offended
really but you were just plain old ungainly, in "Internet news" terms.

Normally, good "newgroup" etiquette calls for you to be a bit present in a
group on usenet (Internet news group, message board, call it what you
like) before posting something, especially if you're kinda advertising (OK
I know you're sharing but the difference between sharing and advertising
is sometimes quite small).

Just to turn up out of the blue is fine - there is no way to start posting
here any other way - but doing it to ask for patronage of a race / club /
website is generally considered as impolite if you're not "known"
beforehand.

Nothing against you or your site and good luck either way...