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09-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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 | Re: Cervelo Dual "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:ee9q3a$ulo$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > > Any opinion about this bike?, it comes with DuroAce for about 2K CAD. It's a bike. Ride one. If you like it and can afford it, buy it. Buy it from a shop. Please forgive me for being abrupt, but any opinion is just that. Similarly magazine and internet reviews are next to useless. So much depends on how the thing is set-up and you that anyone elses view of the same thing is meaningless. Find a good shop. Take them biscuits! Skippy E&OE |
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09-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. Skippy wrote: > "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message > news:ee9q3a$ulo$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > >>Any opinion about this bike?, it comes with DuroAce for about 2K CAD. > > > It's a bike. Ride one. If you like it and can afford it, buy it. Buy it > from a shop. > > Please forgive me for being abrupt, but any opinion is just that. Similarly > magazine and internet reviews are next to useless. So much depends on how > the thing is set-up and you that anyone elses view of the same thing is > meaningless. Find a good shop. Take them biscuits! > > > Skippy > E&OE > > |
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09-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:eebsgf$m7e$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to > say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. > > Skippy wrote: >> "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message >> news:ee9q3a$ulo$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... >> >>>Any opinion about this bike?, it comes with DuroAce for about 2K CAD. >> >> >> It's a bike. Ride one. If you like it and can afford it, buy it. Buy >> it from a shop. >> >> Please forgive me for being abrupt, but any opinion is just that. >> Similarly magazine and internet reviews are next to useless. So much >> depends on how the thing is set-up and you that anyone elses view of the >> same thing is meaningless. Find a good shop. Take them biscuits! >> >> >> Skippy >> E&OE Troll? No. How is telling you the truth trolling? Troll question in the first place, maybe. Top-posting is considered by some to be bad form. Skippy E&OE |
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09-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual Skippy wrote: > "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message > news:eebsgf$m7e$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > >> non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to >>say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. >> >>Skippy wrote: >> >>>"Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message >>>news:ee9q3a$ulo$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... >>> >>> >>>>Any opinion about this bike?, it comes with DuroAce for about 2K CAD. >>> >>> >>>It's a bike. Ride one. If you like it and can afford it, buy it. Buy >>>it from a shop. >>> >>>Please forgive me for being abrupt, but any opinion is just that. >>>Similarly magazine and internet reviews are next to useless. So much >>>depends on how the thing is set-up and you that anyone elses view of the >>>same thing is meaningless. Find a good shop. Take them biscuits! >>> >>> >>>Skippy >>>E&OE > > > Troll? No. How is telling you the truth trolling? > Since when asking for people's opinion and experiences about a 2K+ product is a troll ?? Stop making a fool out of yourself. A student with -10K a year income cannot simply afford not asking before shelling out that much money. You didn't tell me the truth, just your personal and somewhat biased opinion about reviews, since when that is truth ? If the reviews have not worked for you don't generalize it to others, and don't prescribe them with your own shopping methodology. As I said if one feels like not contributing to a discussion, simply not answering to it is the best option. > Troll question in the first place, maybe. >Top-posting is considered by some > to be bad form. > > Skippy > E&OE > > |
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09-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > Skippy wrote: >> "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message >> news:eebsgf$m7e$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... >> >>> non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to >>>say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. >>> >>>Skippy wrote: >>> >>>>"Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message >>>>news:ee9q3a$ulo$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Any opinion about this bike?, it comes with DuroAce for about 2K CAD. >>>> >>>> >>>>It's a bike. Ride one. If you like it and can afford it, buy it. Buy >>>>it from a shop. >>>> >>>>Please forgive me for being abrupt, but any opinion is just that. >>>>Similarly magazine and internet reviews are next to useless. So much >>>>depends on how the thing is set-up and you that anyone elses view of the >>>>same thing is meaningless. Find a good shop. Take them biscuits! >>>> >>>> >>>>Skippy >>>>E&OE >> >> >> Troll? No. How is telling you the truth trolling? >> > > Since when asking for people's opinion and experiences about a 2K+ product > is a troll ?? Stop making a fool out of yourself. I am merely suggesting that you should form your own opinions by trying out the fairly expensive product. How is that foolish? >A student > with -10K a year income cannot simply afford not asking before shelling > out that much money. You can afford NOT riding before shelling out that much money? Would you buy a suit without trying it on? > You didn't tell me the truth, just your personal and somewhat biased > opinion about reviews, since when that is truth ? If you want 'personal and somewhat biased opinion', read reviews. > If the reviews have not worked for you don't generalize it to others, and > don't prescribe them with your own shopping methodology. The biscuit bribe is the only part that's 'methodology'! >As I said > if one feels like not contributing to a discussion, simply not answering > to it is the best option. I was offering you what I sincerely believe to be useful advice. I could have given you any number of opinions on the Dual, as originally requested. I'll save you from that. If you want more useful information you might want to describe you and your usage (height,weight, mileage, type of event, current times etc) By the way, slagging-off your only respondant might not be the slickest policy. > >> Troll question in the first place, maybe. > > > >>Top-posting is considered by some to be bad form. >> >> Skippy >> E&OE |
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09-16-2006, 02:02 AM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 @rumours.uwaterloo.ca: > non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to > say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. > Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked them what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike is OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're riding it," would you insult them and walk away? |
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09-16-2006, 02:02 AM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual "Tom Henderson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> schreef in bericht news:Xns983F423842B3TomH4thBellSouthnet@216.77.188 .18... > Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 > @rumours.uwaterloo.ca: > >> non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to >> say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. >> > > Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product > review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. > > Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked them > what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike > is > OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're > riding it," would you insult them and walk away? On top of that: it's not only the bike and the rider, it's also the guy your going to buy it from and who is going to maintain it for you. It's more or less like the second hand car salesman. Would you buy a car from this man? -- Posted by news://news.nb.nu |
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09-16-2006, 02:02 AM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual Bert L.am wrote: > "Tom Henderson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> schreef in bericht > news:Xns983F423842B3TomH4thBellSouthnet@216.77.188 .18... > >>Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 >>@rumours.uwaterloo.ca: >> >> >>> non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to >>>say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. >>> >> >>Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product >>review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. >> >>Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked them >>what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike >>is >>OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're >>riding it," would you insult them and walk away? > > > On top of that: it's not only the bike and the rider, it's also the guy your > going to buy it from and who is going to maintain it for you. It's more or > less like the second hand car salesman. Would you buy a car from this man? > > > When somebody asks a question, it certainly has some background before it is asked. put it this way, I ask a question about people's experience with this particular bike, which is a very common approach for buying anything IMHO, This is my way of shopping and I have done it for my computer, digital camera, running shoes,..... Instead, my answer was a sarcastic tutorial about how to buy a bike. Leave these types of answers for the questions along the lines of "How should I buy a bike", or "what is the best way to buy a bike". FYI, I already knew that the Dual is "a bike" and I had already ridden the bike along with several other bikes in some store. I am sure you don't think that every possible design flaw or discomfort shows itself in a 10 minutes ride. What amazes me is that a very simplest question was answered with sarcasm and then others are supporting it too!!!. Endurance athletes are supposed to be helpful, encouraging, and down to earth. At least those that I have met in person were like that. |
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| Triathlete | Quote: Skippy was being an @ss. He didn't offer very good advice. He told him to ride it once and buy it if he liked it. He also assumed because he was asking a question that he had never ridden the bike. He came with an attitude of superiority. He said reviews, etc. where useless, which may be the case for him, but not the majority of people hence the ability for those things to sell. If skippy doesn't need advice and has this strong opinion that everyone else should figure things out for themselves and not rely on others experience, maybe he should quit hanging out on newsgroups. I think what Ali was trying to say in his accusation of troll is that if you have never ridden the bike and don't really know anything about the bike, he doesn't really need to here about your personal opinion on other people's opinion. As for insulting strangers, if I talked to someone in real life like skippy did Ali, I would hope someone would smack me. |
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09-17-2006, 12:26 AM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual "Ali Razavi" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> schreef in bericht news:eeffg0$2hc$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... Go buy that bike man. It's a super bike, the CSC team ride Cervelo. I believe that you will be very happy with it. (check: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], some understanding of the Danish language is advantageous when browsing these pages) -- Posted by news://news.nb.nu |
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09-17-2006, 12:26 AM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual Tom Henderson wrote: > Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 > @rumours.uwaterloo.ca: > > > non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to > > say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. > > > > Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product > review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. > > Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked them > what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike is > OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're > riding it," would you insult them and walk away? Skippy was being an @ss. He didn't offer very good advice. He told him to ride it once and buy it if he liked it. He also assumed because he was asking a question that he had never ridden the bike. He came with an attitude of superiority. He said reviews, etc. where useless, which may be the case for him, but not the majority of people hence the ability for those things to sell. If skippy doesn't need advice and has this strong opinion that everyone else should figure things out for themselves and not rely on others experience, maybe he should quit hanging out on newsgroups. I think what Ali was trying to say in his accusation of troll is that if you have never ridden the bike and don't really know anything about the bike, he doesn't really need to here about your personal opinion on asking questions in a newsgroup. As for insulting strangers, if I talked to someone in real life like skippy did Ali, I would hope someone would smack me. |
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09-17-2006, 11:24 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual "chappy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:1158424817.872705.181510@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > Tom Henderson wrote: >> Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 >> @rumours.uwaterloo.ca: >> >> > non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to >> > say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. >> > >> >> Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product >> review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. >> >> Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked >> them >> what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike >> is >> OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're >> riding it," would you insult them and walk away? > > Skippy was being an @ss. He didn't offer very good advice. He told > him to ride it once and buy it if he liked it. He also assumed because > he was asking a question that he had never ridden the bike. He came > with an attitude of superiority. He said reviews, etc. where useless, > which may be the case for him, but not the majority of people hence the > ability for those things to sell. > > If skippy doesn't need advice and has this strong opinion that everyone > else should figure things out for themselves and not rely on others > experience, maybe he should quit hanging out on newsgroups. I was suggesting that a good dealer might just know a thing or two about the products they sell. Test riding and set-up are more important than someone else's opinion. > > I think what Ali was trying to say in his accusation of troll is that > if you have never ridden the bike and don't really know anything about > the bike, he doesn't really need to here about your personal opinion on > asking questions in a newsgroup. > > As for insulting strangers, if I talked to someone in real life like > skippy did Ali, I would hope someone would smack me. > I have re-read my post, just to check, and I am not being rude. Perhaps that's how you read it, but I was not. Calling people an '@ss' is. |
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09-18-2006, 10:29 PM
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| | Re: Cervelo Dual Skippy wrote: > "chappy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message > news:1158424817.872705.181510@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > > > Tom Henderson wrote: > >> Ali Razavi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:eebsgf$m7e$1 > >> @rumours.uwaterloo.ca: > >> > >> > non troll opinions please. If you don't have anything to > >> > say remaining silent is the wisest thing to do. > >> > > >> > >> Skippy offered very real advice. Maybe it wasn't the detailed product > >> review you were looking for, but it absolutely wasn't a troll. > >> > >> Think about it this way. If you walked up to a real person, and asked > >> them > >> what they thought about the Cervelo Dual, and they said, "Well, the bike > >> is > >> OK, but what really matters most is how the bike feels to you when you're > >> riding it," would you insult them and walk away? > > > > Skippy was being an @ss. He didn't offer very good advice. He told > > him to ride it once and buy it if he liked it. He also assumed because > > he was asking a question that he had never ridden the bike. He came > > with an attitude of superiority. He said reviews, etc. where useless, > > which may be the case for him, but not the majority of people hence the > > ability for those things to sell. > > > > If skippy doesn't need advice and has this strong opinion that everyone > > else should figure things out for themselves and not rely on others > > experience, maybe he should quit hanging out on newsgroups. > > I was suggesting that a good dealer might just know a thing or two about the > products they sell. Test riding and set-up are more important than someone > else's opinion. > > > > > I think what Ali was trying to say in his accusation of troll is that > > if you have never ridden the bike and don't really know anything about > > the bike, he doesn't really need to here about your personal opinion on > > asking questions in a newsgroup. > > > > > As for insulting strangers, if I talked to someone in real life like > > skippy did Ali, I would hope someone would smack me. > > > > I have re-read my post, just to check, and I am not being rude. Perhaps > that's how you read it, but I was not. Calling people an '@ss' is. Maybe if you delete the first 3 sentences of the first paragraph and the first 2 of the second then you are not being rude. And I will agree that the first two sentences in the second paragraph where more stupid than rude, unless you are the A#1 expert, and know everything there is to know about the subject. I know that my post was rude, just like this one. Rude posts are far more entertaining than sincere helpful ones, but you shouldn't really try to disguise rudeness as helpfullness. |
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