how to run in bike shoe in a triatholon - Triathlon Week

08-10-2006, 01:18 AM

Hello,
Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?

08-10-2006, 01:18 AM

"aa" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> wrote in news:1155082640.414289.270500
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Hello,
> Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
> shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
> What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
> them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?
>
>

A lot of folks leave them on the bike and slip them on after they mount.
I've never been comfortable doing that, so I just run with the shoes on.
Another option not used often is to run with the bike and shoes in you
hand to somewhwere close to the mount line, then slip the shoes on. Just
be sure you can do this without blocking the progress of others.

08-10-2006, 01:18 AM

In article <1155082640.414289.270500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
"aa" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> wrote:

> Hello,
> Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
> shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
> What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
> them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?
>

Just use your bike for balance as you run. After a little prractice,
it's not so bad.

--Harold Buck

"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."

-Homer J. Simpson

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

"aa" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
> shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
> What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
> them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?
>

A lot of people leave the shoes on the bike and run barefoot.

One idea that that might work for you is using mountain bike shoes/pedals
instead of road kit. e.g. SPD. Only a little heavier these days, and a
much better sole for running on. A lot of shoes have 2 larger straps so
they're not too bad to get on in a hurry in T1. Then just run out and jump
straight on. SPD type pedals are also easier to clip into (if you're
feeling a bit squiffy after the swim). Because of the sole around the
cleat, the cleat doesn't get mauled if it comes into contact with asphalt or
gravel like 'Looks' do.

I'm fairly new to this lark, but not to bikes. this is my

Skippy
E&OE

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

Skippy wrote:
> "aa" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> wrote in message
> news:1155082640.414289.270500@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hello,
> > Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
> > shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
> > What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
> > them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?
> >
>
> A lot of people leave the shoes on the bike and run barefoot.
>
> One idea that that might work for you is using mountain bike shoes/pedals
> instead of road kit. e.g. SPD. Only a little heavier these days, and a
> much better sole for running on. A lot of shoes have 2 larger straps so
> they're not too bad to get on in a hurry in T1. Then just run out and jump
> straight on. SPD type pedals are also easier to clip into (if you're
> feeling a bit squiffy after the swim). Because of the sole around the
> cleat, the cleat doesn't get mauled if it comes into contact with asphalt or
> gravel like 'Looks' do.

Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
slightly greater comfort?

>
> I'm fairly new to this lark, but not to bikes. this is my
>
> Skippy
> E&OE

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

"Rookie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>
> Skippy wrote:
>> "aa" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> wrote in message
>> news:1155082640.414289.270500@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> > Hello,
>> > Coming out of transition, i have to run for about 100m with my bike
>> > shoes on. Any body would know these are not the best thing to run in.
>> > What do people do to get around this? Put them on, on the road, leave
>> > them on the pedals and slip in after they get on the bike?
>> >
>>
>> A lot of people leave the shoes on the bike and run barefoot.
>>
>> One idea that that might work for you is using mountain bike shoes/pedals
>> instead of road kit. e.g. SPD. Only a little heavier these days, and a
>> much better sole for running on. A lot of shoes have 2 larger straps so
>> they're not too bad to get on in a hurry in T1. Then just run out and
>> jump
>> straight on. SPD type pedals are also easier to clip into (if you're
>> feeling a bit squiffy after the swim). Because of the sole around the
>> cleat, the cleat doesn't get mauled if it comes into contact with asphalt
>> or
>> gravel like 'Looks' do.
>
> Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
> probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
> out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
> slightly greater comfort?

Ok. Where do you loose time? I agree that if you've already got road
shoes, it probably isn't worth it. I only suggested it as the OP was
worried about running on cleats.

Skippy
E&OE

>
>>
>> I'm fairly new to this lark, but not to bikes. this is my
>>
>> Skippy
>> E&OE
>

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

In article <44da35b0$0$18520$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].net>,
"Skippy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> > Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
> > probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
> > out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
> > slightly greater comfort?
>
> Ok. Where do you loose time? I agree that if you've already got road
> shoes, it probably isn't worth it. I only suggested it as the OP was
> worried about running on cleats.

You lose time by not having as stiff a sole on the shoe.

--Harold Buck

"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."

-Homer J. Simpson

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

Rookie wrote:
>
> Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
> probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
> out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
> slightly greater comfort?
>

Not worth it if you already have road shoes, but if you are
contemplating whether to buy MTB or road shoes then it is worth
considering. I've used MTB shoes for the last 3 seasons and have never
thought of moving to road shoes (of course I probably would if i went up
to half or full IM distance).

DaveB

08-10-2006, 01:19 AM

"Harold Buck" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> In article <44da35b0$0$18520$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].net>,
> "Skippy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> > Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
>> > probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
>> > out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
>> > slightly greater comfort?
>>
>> Ok. Where do you loose time? I agree that if you've already got road
>> shoes, it probably isn't worth it. I only suggested it as the OP was
>> worried about running on cleats.
>
> You lose time by not having as stiff a sole on the shoe.

I'm not sure it's that significant. The soles on my mountain bike shoes are
pretty similar construction to my road bike ones. The pedal interface is
bigger, granted. I can't say that when feel the SPD shoes flexing much.
Incidentally a lot of the 'better' mountain bike shoes have carbon composite
soles like the road shoes. Has anyone measured the losses from different
shoes?

Skippy
E&OE

>
> --Harold Buck
>
>
> "Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."
>
> -Homer J. Simpson

08-10-2006, 08:35 AM

While there is some merit to discussing the construction and stifness
of MTB vs Road shoes, it really is getting off the point.

Its not difficult to learn to do a running mount with your shoes
already on your pedals. Doing it this way can save anything from
30-seconds to 120-seconds depending on length of the transition area
etc. and the speed with which you can stand still in transition and get
your shoes on.

If I told you that you could save 90-seconds in your swim for an hours
practise you'd be out doing it this afternoon. You just need to apply
the same to transition practise. I regularly come top-10 overall in
transition times in races, often beating pro's, given my running is
hampered by a severaly disfigured right leg this is both surprising and
I need to save time where I can. See my blog from last Sundays race
where I was 7th overall in T1 including a number of elite, . I was
10th in T1 in the 2002 World Age group champs.

The secret is to find a field or astro turf area where you can
practise. You just need your bike, helmet, shoes and 20-24 1-inch
elastic bands and a bucket. he bucket is needed as a transition stand.
a chair could also be used. You attach the bands to the shoes either by
the small heal loop, or if your shoes don't have one, the small heal
raise on most shoes. Then attach the band to somewhere that will hold
the shoes parallel while you run with the bike.

You then rest the bike against the bucket, walk back 50yds, sprint to
the bike, helmet on, grab the bike run foward at least 50yds and then
leap on, cycle for a short distance; get off; walk back; reset your
equipment; go back and do it again and again and again until you can
make a faultless smooth transition from running to cycling, not stops.
Its important to have a decent run either side of the bike to simulate
race conditions.

Once you can do this, you can then go out on the street somewhere quiet
and practise getting your feet in your shoes and doing them up. This
has to be done at a reasonable speed 14-18mph, no 8-10mph wobbles
please.

I've described the steps for the whole process here in a blog post:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Once you've managed going out, you can master coming back in. I
overtook 12 people in the last 50m of Sundays race. The amount of
messing about, and the slowness of people always amuses me, then I
remember I was once like that, a novice, then I put the practise in!

08-10-2006, 10:15 AM

DaveB wrote:
> Rookie wrote:
> >
> > Not worth it IMHO - might save you a couple of seconds in T1, but would
> > probably cost you more than that on the bike plus is it worth forking
> > out for a new pair of shoes and pedals so you can run 100 yards in
> > slightly greater comfort?
> >
>
> Not worth it if you already have road shoes, but if you are
> contemplating whether to buy MTB or road shoes then it is worth
> considering. I've used MTB shoes for the last 3 seasons and have never
> thought of moving to road shoes (of course I probably would if i went up
> to half or full IM distance).
>
> DaveB

The irony is that IM is the one distance where I wish I had used MTB
shoes - have never experienced problems before but raceday was so hot
that my feet swelled up and the stiffness of my bike shoes was killing
me. Had the unusual side effect of making me eager to get onto the run
and pull on some cushioned soles though!

08-10-2006, 12:06 PM

"Mark Cathcart" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> While there is some merit to discussing the construction and stifness
> of MTB vs Road shoes, it really is getting off the point.
>
> Its not difficult to learn to do a running mount with your shoes
> already on your pedals. Doing it this way can save anything from
> 30-seconds to 120-seconds depending on length of the transition area
> etc. and the speed with which you can stand still in transition and get
> your shoes on.
>
> If I told you that you could save 90-seconds in your swim for an hours
> practise you'd be out doing it this afternoon. You just need to apply
> the same to transition practise. I regularly come top-10 overall in
> transition times in races, often beating pro's, given my running is
> hampered by a severaly disfigured right leg this is both surprising and
> I need to save time where I can. See my blog from last Sundays race
> where I was 7th overall in T1 including a number of elite, . I was
> 10th in T1 in the 2002 World Age group champs.
>
> The secret is to find a field or astro turf area where you can
> practise. You just need your bike, helmet, shoes and 20-24 1-inch
> elastic bands and a bucket. he bucket is needed as a transition stand.
> a chair could also be used. You attach the bands to the shoes either by
> the small heal loop, or if your shoes don't have one, the small heal
> raise on most shoes. Then attach the band to somewhere that will hold
> the shoes parallel while you run with the bike.
>
> You then rest the bike against the bucket, walk back 50yds, sprint to
> the bike, helmet on, grab the bike run foward at least 50yds and then
> leap on, cycle for a short distance; get off; walk back; reset your
> equipment; go back and do it again and again and again until you can
> make a faultless smooth transition from running to cycling, not stops.
> Its important to have a decent run either side of the bike to simulate
> race conditions.
>
> Once you can do this, you can then go out on the street somewhere quiet
> and practise getting your feet in your shoes and doing them up. This
> has to be done at a reasonable speed 14-18mph, no 8-10mph wobbles
> please.
>
> I've described the steps for the whole process here in a blog post:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Once you've managed going out, you can master coming back in. I
> overtook 12 people in the last 50m of Sundays race. The amount of
> messing about, and the slowness of people always amuses me, then I
> remember I was once like that, a novice, then I put the practise in!
>

If it works, that's good. How long does it take you to fasten your shoes on
the bike?

Must go train.

08-10-2006, 03:51 PM

Skippy wrote:
> "Mark Cathcart" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:1155216040.399229.10480@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>While there is some merit to discussing the construction and stifness
>>of MTB vs Road shoes, it really is getting off the point.
>>
>>Its not difficult to learn to do a running mount with your shoes
>>already on your pedals. Doing it this way can save anything from
>>30-seconds to 120-seconds depending on length of the transition area
>>etc. and the speed with which you can stand still in transition and get
>>your shoes on.
>>
>>If I told you that you could save 90-seconds in your swim for an hours
>>practise you'd be out doing it this afternoon. You just need to apply
>>the same to transition practise. I regularly come top-10 overall in
>>transition times in races, often beating pro's, given my running is
>>hampered by a severaly disfigured right leg this is both surprising and
>>I need to save time where I can. See my blog from last Sundays race
>>where I was 7th overall in T1 including a number of elite, . I was
>>10th in T1 in the 2002 World Age group champs.
>>
>>The secret is to find a field or astro turf area where you can
>>practise. You just need your bike, helmet, shoes and 20-24 1-inch
>>elastic bands and a bucket. he bucket is needed as a transition stand.
>>a chair could also be used. You attach the bands to the shoes either by
>>the small heal loop, or if your shoes don't have one, the small heal
>>raise on most shoes. Then attach the band to somewhere that will hold
>>the shoes parallel while you run with the bike.
>>
>>You then rest the bike against the bucket, walk back 50yds, sprint to
>>the bike, helmet on, grab the bike run foward at least 50yds and then
>>leap on, cycle for a short distance; get off; walk back; reset your
>>equipment; go back and do it again and again and again until you can
>>make a faultless smooth transition from running to cycling, not stops.
>>Its important to have a decent run either side of the bike to simulate
>>race conditions.
>>
>>Once you can do this, you can then go out on the street somewhere quiet
>>and practise getting your feet in your shoes and doing them up. This
>>has to be done at a reasonable speed 14-18mph, no 8-10mph wobbles
>>please.
>>
>>I've described the steps for the whole process here in a blog post:
>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>
>>Once you've managed going out, you can master coming back in. I
>>overtook 12 people in the last 50m of Sundays race. The amount of
>>messing about, and the slowness of people always amuses me, then I
>>remember I was once like that, a novice, then I put the practise in!
>>
>

Hello,

I have a Flatwing bottle holder behind my seat. Have you seen people do
this with that kind of an obstacle?

thanks,
Bob

08-10-2006, 06:28 PM

Mark Cathcart wrote:
> While there is some merit to discussing the construction and stifness
> of MTB vs Road shoes, it really is getting off the point.
>
> Its not difficult to learn to do a running mount with your shoes
> already on your pedals. Doing it this way can save anything from
> 30-seconds to 120-seconds depending on length of the transition area
> etc. and the speed with which you can stand still in transition and get
> your shoes on.
>
> If I told you that you could save 90-seconds in your swim for an hours
> practise you'd be out doing it this afternoon.

If you told me it takes you 90 seconds to put MTB shoes on in transition
I'd be wondering what on earth you are doing. It takes me 20 seconds to
put my MTB shoes on. On the run out of transition I usually overtake a
few others (and I'm a very slow runner), and then ove rthe first 50
metres of the bike leg I overtake a few more who are stuffing around
with getting their feet into the shoes.

DaveB

08-10-2006, 06:28 PM

Mark Cathcart wrote:
<snip>
> Once you've managed going out, you can master coming back in. I
> overtook 12 people in the last 50m of Sundays race. The amount of
> messing about, and the slowness of people always amuses me, then I
> remember I was once like that, a novice, then I put the practise in!

Didn't they have a green zone (no overtaking) in the last 50m?

Tam